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I have been looking for a good OS ERP solution for a few weeks. I tried OpenBravo and TinyERP. I just wondered why is OpenBravo more popular than TinyERP … (I couldn’t believe how easy is to add modules, however personalizing pdf-s is tricky)

Raphaël thank you for your post, you saved me weeks of research. I plan to enter into partnership with TinyERP too.

All hail …

Gabor Bodo

First of all, let me put it again: I’m not tied to TinyERP in any way. It’s just that after 3 months of intense and deep oss ERP analysis, I found it to be by far superior (in term both of design, features and open sources synergies) to the other you mentioned.

Still, I agree with you they weren’t that much open at first sight. After I saw you comments, I bashed them a bit there:
http://tinyerp.org/forum/topic5747.html

And the fantastic thing that happened is that they just open the SVN to public access:
http://tinyerp.com/subversion-access.html

BTW, I registered at Compiere to get an access it was way more complex.

As I find it unfair you may consider OpenBravo while not tiny, I’ll bash OpenBravo a little bit to make things clear (even if overall the product is okay I would say; no more unfortunately):
a few months ago, the public SVN was very roughly replicated to sourceforge without fine grained commit sets, so it was almost useful. I know that some other solutions like Ofbiz (and Neogia) are more liberal than TinyERP, but on the average, TinyERP is really not the most shocking one.

I must say the OpenBravo attitude of putting money and marketing first before the features, the platform maturity and the true ecosystem is a bit more shocking to me. Really I don’t think TinyERP is such an abuse. Take a tour to OpenBravo monthly community IRC chat meeting and you’ll realize that the VC funding is used to pay community animators who aren’t core devs or ERP experts and who give you the impression they are just making their office hours: then say tend to say: “well OK, already two hours there, we well leave now, see you in 2 months”. Go to #jruby and you’ll meet real oss developers instead.

Want to speak about documentation?
Well, here are the 3 pages of OpenBravo functional documentation:
http://wiki.openbravo.com/wiki/index.php/Functional_Documentation
They also have lots of usefulness auto generated screen field documentation but it really doesn’t help.
They also market a lot they have CRM feature, but search for ‘CRM’ in their wiki and here is what y’ll find:
http://wiki.openbravo.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Search?search=crm&fulltext=Search
(no result at all…)
on the contrary, go to the src package of Compiere or OpenBravo and perform the following search:
grep -ri ‘tire storage’ and you’ll find plenty of out dated code form year 2000 when Compiere has been coded for Goodyear Germany.

I mean, nothing like that in TinyERP. I’m very OK to consider OfBiz and derivative as more open source. But when comparing to others you mentioned, it’s quite valuable.

Now want to look at the TinyERP functional documentation?
There are more than 400 pages available for free in their wiki here:
http://tinyerp.org/wiki/index.php/TinyBookEN/HomePage
(still more would be welcome, that’s only a resource issue of a true oss project I think, see Fabien answer here:
http://tinyerp.org/forum/topic5595-30.html ).

BTW you don’t need to log in to download anything:here is the core ERP platform (src+compiled bytecode)
http://www.tinyerp.com/index.php?option=com_joomlaxplorer&action=list&dir=stable%2Fsource&order=name&srt=yes

Here are the certified modules (the update manager is simpler though)
http://www.tinyerp.com/component/option,com_mtree/Itemid,111/
no login either (a lot of others coming in)

And more important a lot of those modules are done by third party actors: released under the free GPL license while in a sustainable business model fashion. No many oss ERP around with such real community success.

Finally, I’ll agree on things that used to suck with TinyERP:
* they were really un professional in ther site presentation (but isn’t Ofbiz worse?). But OK, they were even bad at communicating their oss position (while it’s truly oss, at least now).
* it’s quite new: only effective since 2005, a lot of recent progress due to the good platform, so it has been a moving target to evaluate
* TinyERP totally lacks of packaging and professional polish (but isn’t Ofbiz worse?).
* while their Python dynamic layer rocks. I would have been hapier if the low level non dynamic platform code were statically typed running at java speed. So I would have prefer TinyERP to be Jython or JRuby based rather than pure native Python. Fabien, if you hear me…

I’ve been recently in close contact with Fabien Pinckears, TinyERP author and now CEO of Tiny (I doubt CEO of OpenBravo know anything about coding, they would have chosen TinyERP or Ofbiz else , I think he is aware of all that and preparing lots of marketing and polishing improvements.

Finally how does TinyERP compare with ERP you mentionned:

* vs Compiere or OpenBravo: it’s more an open source project with a real grounded effective community (not a hyped/dreamed one), look after the module commiters or forum helpers to check that. It’s also way better coded: true OOP programming, SOA oriented. More functional module, more versatile.

* vs Ofbiz: less bit oss driven but more real and packaged (while not enough). Also, it’s SOA oriented like Ofbiz: no pl/SQL: a good ORM + objects exposed to web services (as XMPL-RPC by the ORM layer). It’s also more scriptable (Python based) and thus more easily prototype-able (untill Ofbiz goes JRuby, Jython or Groovy). But more importantly, unlike Ofbiz and “its glorified map architecture” (after Chris Nelson former important OfBiz commiter) of data structures, TinyERP enforces true real domain objects with OOP methods (unlike Ofbiz for object methods). Yes, Neogia overcomed that somewhat, but that’s at the price of depending to Poseidon UML which isn’t free anymore or the much less capable ArgoUML (bad at large ERP UML layouts). So it’s a vendor trick resulting in much bloatware instead of admitting that a true dynamic ORM is just simpler and more effective. And I’m not talking about the BPM side.

So yes, I’m weighting my words TinyERP shines! And trust me, I’ve been a Java guy (for 5 years), I don’t like Python that much. I prefer JRuby and JRuby on Rails to is a lot. But still TinyERP has been the better architecture + oss move I could find arround. Also I think, unlike Compiere or others, it’s platform is good enough to succes modularization and verticalization and who knows, eat SAP one day.

So why am I waisting my time writing all that? I hope you reconsider at least evaluating it so I hope they get the attention they deserve.

Aside form that, I find you site a great initiative. I’ll publish a withe paper in french for http://www.Smile.fr within a month. My findings are roughly the same as yours but as I said I’ll explicitely recommend TinyERP a lot. We are even going to partner with TinyERP (we just signed with OpenBravo too). But as I said, we were not tied to them. That’s only after that 3 months analysis we decided that because of our findings only. And look at http://www.smile.fr, we aren’t know as a Python company in case you doubt about my the sincerity of my words. As for Neogia, we find it a better technical solution than OpenBravo, but it really lacks of a critical mass. I understand Nereide can sell it right, but it’s still kind of hard to decide to be a third party integrator of Neogia (Nereide isn’t really a third party, they are mostly making Neogia). Also, it’s better but is it godd enough? Not sure. And even if it’s better than OB, we found it far behind that tinyERP. Finally on ERP5: we found it a very good technical attempt but doubt a customer would put critical data inside a Zope non relationnal database they don’t know about. It’s also not a community sucess like TinyERP.

Best regards, keep you site great.

Raphaël Valyi.